Death Note: Plot holes, mistakes, logic flaws, etc.

  • DEATH..NOTE:..PLOT-HOLES,..FLAWS,..MISTAKES,..ETC

    what..were..some..plot-holes..and..mistakes..in..death..note?
    i..found..it..boring..and..sloppy..and..eventually..dropped..it.
    i..read..the..story..on..internet..so..i..know..what..happens..later.
     
    when i wrote this, my keyboard was not working properly. the space key was not working, onscreen keyboard takes literally ten times longer to type. hence the dots. thx for understanding.

    I admit defeat. People say anime genre is gross and stupid. I want to say otherwise but even I have to admit

    Anime genre is mediocre at best. Sigh.

    i..noticed..some..things..
    1..the..first..time..i..watched..it,..i..dropped..it..at..ep..1.
    i..picked..it..up..again..and..this..time,..i..dropped..i..at..ep..2.
    i..picked..it..up..again..and..this..time,..i..dropped..i..at..ep..13..for..good,..once..and..for..all..yesterday.
    i..am..done.

    first..one..is..misora..naomi..ray..penber's..fiancee.

    she..is..an..ex..FBI..agent,..yet..she..gives..such..information..of..utmost..
    importance..to..a..stranger-..a..civilian..at..that?..she..doesn't..trust..him..enough
    ..to..give..him..her..real..name,..yet..she..gives..him..the..single..most..important
    ..piece..of..information..that.even..L..and..the..team..don't..have,..that..could..
    be..the..next..step..to..kira..being..caught...........to..a..suspicious..stranger.

    she..suspects..that..ray..died..coz..he..was.FORCED..TO..REVEAL..HIS..NAME/IDENTITY,..yet..she..completely..believes..light..and..gives..him..her..id.

    How did Naomi Misora believe Light when he said he was part of the Kira investigation team, despite being told that there was nobody of the team at the department, with Light right there?..and..she..is..an..ex..FBI..agent.

    After meeting L for the first time, wouldn't the Kira investigation team hear at the department there was a woman who wanted to talk to..the team, and instead left the place with Light? It was even pointed out by Light that they were being filmed by the security cameras, so they should be able to identify her as Raye Penber fiancé. Shouldn't that raise a red flag? Not to mention she went missing right after that and Light is the last known person to talk to her.


    1 - Although Light said he was part of a secret investigation team, he also told Naomi that his father was the head of the investigation them in front of the receptionists, who even complained about him leaking confidential information to her.
    2 - Of course the receptionists knew who was part of the Kira investigation team, it wasn't kept a secret to the police. Even though most of them left after the 12 FBI agents were killed, they were familiarized with the ones who remained. The receptionists even said they could pass Naomi's message to the investigation team (remember that Light lied about a secret team).
    Remember when Aizawa went right through Light and Naomi? He was coming back to the headquarters because there was nobody of the investigation team left. The first thing Aizawa would hear was that there was a woman looking for them a few minutes ago and instead she left with Light. She had an appointment.
    Even if Aizawa just ignored it, 5 days later L told them that Raye Pember fianceé went missing on that same day, and L suspected someone from Soichiro's family was a suspect.

    this..makes..no..sense..SLOPPY..WRITING..ON..THE..WRITER'S..PART.

    this..person..worded..it..better,..so..i..will..quote..him,
    In the very beginning of Death Note, Light Picks up the Death Note Ryuk drops, and is visited by Ryuk a couple days later. Light can see Ryuk, and Ryuk explains that only those who own a death note can see a shinigami. But a little later, when Misa shows up, we find out that Light can't see Rem unless he has come in contact with the Death Note that Rem dropped in the human world for Misa. Much later in the series, Sidoh appears, and claims that Ryuk stole his death note. Ryuk tells Light that the death note he had originally dropped was actually Sidoh's. When Sidoh visits Mello, the gangsters who have touched the death note can see Sidoh, which means that it does still truly belong to Sidoh, and it never actually belonged to Ryuk. If this is all true, how could Light have even seen Ryuk in the very beginning?

    the fact that Misa goes away scot-free in the end, acting all innocent, when in fact she had murdered people as well. In fact, while Light always murdered criminals, she murdered innocent people randomly to get his attention. She deserves punishment.

    Just the logistics of it were exaggerated and skimmed over to the point it feels like the author is taking advantage of the viewers, spitting out unjustified claims without backup, insisting the viewers trust that "they are just that smart, deal with it".
    like..the..sherlock..tv..series...

    Indeed, their evidence on Light is only circumstantial, but it's not to be ignored: he had access to a police computer, he had the skills necessary to hack it, he was being investigated by the FBI agent who acted strangely before his death, only minor criminals were killed specifically when he was under surveillance (not to mention they now know about the Shinigamis and how Light could have avoided the cameras), the Second Kira stopped sending tapes right after Light went to Aoyama, the second Kira message about "swapping notes" in Aoyama should be transparent to them now that they know about the Death Note, Misa Amane – who wad proven to be the Second Kira by forensic evidence – just became his girlfriend, and criminals stopped dying the second he and Misa were put in jail.


    How the hell would Light know where Ray Penbar was going to Shinjuku station? (When Light appeared behind him and blackmailed him)

    Whenever Light got so close to being captured, the writer introduced a new Death Note rule outta nowhere to save his a**

    The Death Note has too many rules.It has just TOOO many rules that remembering all of them becomes inconvenient for the watcher.And as I said above, most of them were introduced only to save Light when he could have easily failed.

    The Death Note ensures the death of the victim so long as the user has the face and the name of a potential victim in mind. It has to be the victim's real name, so having an alias is the primary defense against death. To its credit, Death Note uses this rule to its fullest. They even expand upon this with the "Shinigami Eyes," which enable the user to learn someone else's name automatically but at the cost of half of one's remaining lifespan. This produces a lot of genuinely creative situations, allowing the show to use its ever flexible writing to its fullest.

    But, if one looks at some of the other rules of the "Death Note," one realizes that there are so many other uses that this "Death Note" could have.

    i..personally..think..suicide,..rather..than..heart..attack..would..be..cleverer,/more..fail-safe..for..a..start.

    For instance, "if the cause of death is written withen 40 seconds of writing the person's name, it will happen." Throughout the show's span, Death Note capitalizes upon this rule very few times, only two of which are creative whatsoever. As long as a death is within the laws of physics, the death can and will happen. Hit on the head with an anvil? OK. Impaled by a sword. Good to go. As long as the situation is feasible, the death can happen. The non-heart attack deaths that Death Note actually uses are relatively banal and dull. In my opinion, the show needed to take advantage of the opportunities its premise presented. The use of "more creative deaths" wouldn't only allow for some variety in the animation; it would allow the audience to see just how twisted and psychotic Light is becoming (more on that later). The show could even attempt some black comedy by killing off universally disliked characters in highly over-the-top and ludicrous ways.

    the..supporting..characters..are..shown..to..be..useless..and..stupid..
    they..are..never..utilized...they..are..policemen..and..have..nothing..to..contribute..to..the..case???
    the..only..ones..with..any..brain..are..main..characters...
    ???

    Such attitudes indicate tht other "normal" characters on the show are essentially useless and have no relevance to our story. They are background that, for all intents and purposes, should be ignored.

    the minor characters are completely insignificant to the narrative of the show.

    misogynistic

    It's quite astonishing that a show of such acclaim as Death Note manages to uphold its reputation despite the hundreds of misogynist moments and concepts contained within it. The women of Death Note are weak, shallow, stupid, annoying, useless, male-dependent, rag dolls who only gain value once they are murdered, very often by their own hands. If that's not indicative of a deep hatred of women, I don't know what is.

    I am aware that this show targets a male audience, but that does not excuse its patronizing attitudes towards women

    Meet Misa Amane, a sex object whom the animators and male characters throughout the series use to push the plot forward. Over the course of her object arc, Misa grows infatuated with Light after he murders the criminal who killed her parents. She acquires a Death Note of her own and starts killing other people who get in Light's way. Once she meets Light, though, she loses any and all agency. She is his eager slave, willing to do whatever he says without question. No matter what terrible thing she has to undergo, she emerges with the same wide-eyed adoration for Light. She might face death, rape, or both at the same time, but she doesn't care. So long as she has Light, nothing else matters. Not helping her objectification is the fact that Misa Amane is an utter airhead, unable to come up with any thought of her own. She is only able to manipulate others when Light guides her to do so. Her sex is used solely as a weapon, and her physical desire for Light has no value in the "relationship" whatsoever, as he dictates whenever she is to be "used."

    Even worse is the treatment that the animators put her through. Misa is fan service incarnate, for the animators put her through almost every fetish one could possibly imagine. She dresses in a schoolgirl uniform, gothic leggings, pop star attire, a sexualized version of a nun's habit. Hell, there's even a scene in which Misa is in bondage. The animators were so desperate to win over viewers that they had Misa tied up and blindfolded in order to appeal to fans' perverted desires. Certainly, there's a plot related excuse for this animation, but one can create a plot contrivance for anything.

    In fact, killing and/or brutalizing women in order to enhance male character arcs is very much a constant throughout Death Note. Misa is forced to trade over half her life for the magical "Shinigami Eyes" ability twice during the show. Therefore, at most, she could live 25 years. But, not to worry, Misa need not fear that, as she commits suicide in the show's aftermath. All the women who try to capture Light end up dead, through one reason or another. Mello kidnaps Light's sister in order to coax him out of hiding. Even Light's mother doesn't come away from this show unscarred, as half her family ends up dying because of her son's actions. In the world of Death Note, women are just collateral damage, just bits of debris instead of human beings.

    this..reminds..me..of..sherlock-tv..series

    Never Living Up to its Own Hype
    Being Clever For the Sake of Being Clever
    too much one dimensional calculations

    there..is..more..but..i..will..get..to..it..later.
    .................

    dropped..at..ep..13

    read..story..in..detail..on..net

    saw..some..more..video..excerpts..on..youtube.

    Light Yagami has been cited as one of the best villains in the anime canon.

    My main issue with Light is his absolute lack of passion. Since he possesses a James Moriarty-like intellect, every single one of his actions is painstakingly thought out. He never makes mistakes (at least, until the tonally dissonant ending). He never shows emotion. He single-mindedly pursues his goal without taking any time to enjoy it. Needless to say, such behavior does not make for a particularly entertaining or like-able villain. 

    Light just goes about his day, writing names into a notebook and ranting about how he will be a god. Perhaps I'm missing the point. Maybe Light is supposed to be more interesting in his fall rather than in the psychopath he is to become. I'd be willing to accept this criticism if Light weren't clearly a psychopath prior to the start of the main plot.

    People say that Light falls from grace, but it is very apparent that he is a seriously disturbed youth from the show's first episode. He is unable to form genuine friendships; he has a nihilistic worldview; he is emotionally detached from everything. He's the kind of student one would expect to be a serial killer later in life.

    Also, once Light starts killing criminals, there is no change to his personality. 

    he..shows..no..interest..in..women,..not..even..sexual.
    is..he..asexual?
    not..a..flaw..just..pointing..sth..out.

    It's quite astonishing that a show of such acclaim as Death Note manages to uphold its reputation despite the hundreds of misogynist moments and concepts contained within it. The women of Death Note are weak, shallow, stupid, annoying, useless, male-dependent, rag dolls who only gain value once they are murdered, very often by their own hands.


    Moreover, unlike other such kind of mystery-solving/criminal-detecting anime, Death Note doesn't make you guess.It just doesn't, a person just sits around watching and whenever something very intelligent happens, everyone goes "wow".But no one wants to guess himself/herself what Light of L's next move will be, because Death Note doesn't offer that.

    misa is the most annoying anime girl 

    In episode 8 of the anime, notice the part where the investigation team is watching the videos of Penbar's death, specifically when L mentions him looking into the train. He just finished clutching his chest and falling to the ground, and yet even as he's sprawled on the ground, there's at least 3 onlookers who don't seem to be doing anything - one man is walking towards him unhurriedly with a briefcase instead of rushing to his side, and another person is just reading a newspaper! I find it difficult to believe that people wouldn't have come to his help to see what was wrong from the moment he started clutching his chest, let alone after he'd fallen to the ground.

    How did Light obtain information from his potato chip TV? Any audio would be heard by the bugs. Since Light also needs to see faces, he'd also have to STARE into his potato chip bag fairly frequently. L doesn't find this behavior the least bit odd? Also, the lights were off in Light's room (except for the desk lamp). L would likely notice the glow from the TV.
    As for how Light got the information, I assumed that he watched it with the sound muted and just hoped that the news program he was watching would show both a criminal's name and picture; he didn't care if the crime was relatively minor, just that someone was killed during that time so that he would get an alibi, so he went with what he could get. However, with 64 cameras in the room (and several that would appear to be pointed in a direction that could see the potato chip bag on the desk), it's pretty much absurd to think that L somehow doesn't notice Light's turning on the TV or the glow from the TV as he watches it. Even if Light had set the TV to just barely visible contrast, many chip bags have a reflective silvery interior, so it's hard to imagine L not noticing anything suspicious about the chip bag.
    I think that was one of the things L picked up on as being suspicious- since Light didn't have audio, he didn't know what the men he killed had done. As a result, he killed a fraudster and a purse-snatcher.

    The fact that Naomi Misora was killed off so quickly bugs me. There are so many ways she could have contributed to the story. Not to mention, she's the only female character in the whole series who's both interesting and likeable.
    You may have already heard this, but she was originally intended to last longer than she did. Unfortunately, she was, in fact, so competent and intelligent that she threatened to get out of control and end the series way, way ahead of schedule if allowed to act on her own any longer. ... Yeah, when I put it that way, I wish we could have seen more of her, too.
    Her death raises the question of just how she managed to commit suicide so that no one found her body.

    Obata hates women. Well, hates them being anything but tools.

    Why does Ryuk depend on Light to give him apples? Ryuk is an invisible, immortal being who can fly and phase through matter. He could grab all the apples he wanted from any market/store/tree he came across.

    Light's plan is unwinnable because Ryuk gets bored

    Now, I haven't watched all of Death Note so maybe it does get addressed, but, to quote the Unwinnable picture, somehow I don't think Light thought his cunning plan all the way through. It seems to me like there's one massive, gaping hole in his long-term goal - Ryuk. Ryuk's letting things proceed because he thinks it's funny, but he's also sociopathic, easily bored, pretty hostile towards Light and makes it very clear that he's going to write Light's name in the book sooner or later. He's only letting Light get as far as he has because it's entertaining. But what does Light think will happen once he's intimidated the world into crimelessness, he's got his own religion going and (most importantly) nobody's opposing him anymore? Isn't Ryuk going to get bored and kill him? Ryuk might even kill him at that point, not out of boredom, but just because it'd be funny and ironic. And Ryuk, being an amoral, rogue shinigami, seems to be the one being that Light can't possibly gain any real leverage over. Doesn't Light realize that, despite all his plans for godhood and such, he's living on borrowed time, at the mercy of a character with all the predictability and morality of The Joker? How was he ever going to get around the eventual problem of Ryuk popping up and saying "well, it's been fun, but watching you play God is getting old, soooo... * scribblescribble* ."
    There's an interesting part just before the timeskip where Ryuk wonders if things will get boring, and Light tells him that he's about to see the dawn of a new world. I wonder if Light said that to stave off the possibility of Ryuk killing him right then, right there.

    Shinigami aren't allowed to go to the human world unless a Death Note of theirs is down there. Since Ryuk finds the apples of the human world so delicious, he could probably be persuaded not to kill Light so he can hang around eating apples.

    Light has got no way of manipulating Ryuk seriously without him being in love with someone (sure, he can bribe him with apples, but that only goes so far)

    how exactly did Light get that TV into that chip bag?

    If L knew that Light was Kira, knew he couldn't prove it and knew he was going to die, why didn't he kill Light?

    Because L wanted to solve the case with inescapable evidence, as he always had before, thus beating Light "fairly." He dies trying to acquire this proof, and in the end his successors, Mello and Near, finish what he started (Near takes pride in the fact that they were able to defeat Light in a battle of minds, with the conclusive evidence shown at last for all to see)

    Misa.

    She started out as a character with potential, demonstrated viciousness and a higher-than-average cleverness along with being raving mad enough to be a Kira imitator

    So, evil and utterly selfish, and not that dumb except by comparison to the smartest person in Japan. And then...something happened.

    She came down with Obata Syndrome, is what happened. All his women are like this

    She was only there to make to spice up the plot 

    third wheel.


    women in anime...in general.

    disposable women

    leaving all its female characters ultimately defined by, and at the mercy of, men.

    the fetishisation of "masculine" reason over pesky "feminine" emotion, 

    a waste of space, it is suggested

    from "an active force to a passive pawn 

    the shows take intriguing female characters and use them to propagate stale gendered archetypes.

    The shows seem to have difficulty fitting female characters into their universe.

    the central male characters wield their genius as weapons as the women stand by to admire or enable them.
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    light-misa..r...like..Voldemort-bellatrix.

    light..is..like..voldemort---killing..is..the..solution..to..everything.
    voldemort..kills..snape..rather..than..defeating..him..for..the..elder..wand.

    dexter..is..a..lot..better--the..character..and..the..show.
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  • Nidhoggr
    Nidhoggr I agree Misa and Naomi had potential, sad what happened to them. As for Light seeming to have no sexual desire, he was having an affair with Takeda, and in one scene was drinking with Misa while she wore a revealing outfit. As for Misa getting away scot...  more
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